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lucifer_uk · Mar 30, 2007, 04:25 AM // 04:25

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

Personally I don't think they can give more storage. It might be one of the flaws of the current GW engine and is another reason why they need GW2 to be built and why they can't transfer characters.

Sorry for the double post but what do you think a Rune of Holding does? Use the same coding for storage!

The Ernada · Mar 30, 2007, 04:25 AM // 04:25

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Originally Posted by lucifer_uk

If your referring to what I said before. Endless Online is free. As in free to download, free to make an account, everything is free. Yet they effectively have unlimited storage. I had 2000 dyes at one point. 2000 individual items.

Endless Online? Of course they'd have a lot more storage space. Look how archaic the graphics and engine is. It's far less demand on their servers. And probably far less people on them as well.

Exoudeous · Mar 30, 2007, 04:27 AM // 04:27

I just looked up endless online, I thought you were talking about a rea mmo, but its not, its like runescape. its free cause its crappy, and it also doesnt have the traffic reall mmos have

look at the player list, it doesnt even have a fraction the player base guild wars does http://game.endless-online.com/playerlist.html

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Originally Posted by lucifer_uk

Sorry for the double post but what do you think a Rune of Holding does? Use the same coding for storage!

thats because your character isnt allowed to start with the full storage, they make you work for it. its not like you can just add another rune of holding for more cause it isnt design that way. rune of holding unlocks storage thats hidden from you

lucifer_uk · Mar 30, 2007, 04:32 AM // 04:32

Regardless i don't see how paying to have your storage upgraded can be any sort of a coding problem?

Code it in and buying the extra will unlock hidden storage for you like the rune?

HawkofStorms · Mar 30, 2007, 04:34 AM // 04:34

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Originally Posted by lucifer_uk

But in a hero battle whos gonna win? The guy that's put time into assigning his heroes runes and specialist weapons for their builds or the Dumpty who won't fork out on some runes and good weapons for specialist builds because "they don't need them"?

Btw mark my words... they will never EVER increase storage space because i would say 90% of extra character slots are purchased to be used as mules.

Pfft.. hero battles should ALWAYS been done on PvP characters so you can get superior vigor runes on all your guys. If you are going to do competitve PvP with your heros (granted /rolling isn't really competitive), then of course they should be fully equiped). My arguement stands though. All the people who complain about the cost of equiping heroes and the need to buy l337 sauce weapons for them can easily get buy without them in PvE.

HawkofStorms · Mar 30, 2007, 04:36 AM // 04:36

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Originally Posted by lucifer_uk

Sorry for the double post but what do you think a Rune of Holding does? Use the same coding for storage!

Sorry for the doulbe post but LMAO. Wow. Yeah. Computer programing involves a lot more high end complex math then that.

Exoudeous · Mar 30, 2007, 04:37 AM // 04:37

its not that simple, the characters most likely are programd to store data effeciantly with the ammount of slots they have now. its all about numerical values and number crunching.

i mean really people here think that anet has the ability to press a button and add it. but nothing is close to being that simple. the whole game is structured to work a certain way.

If its that easy, go to anets studios and program it in for them.

lucifer_uk · Mar 30, 2007, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Sorry for the doulbe post but LMAO. Wow. Yeah. Computer programing involves a lot more high end complex math then that.

LOL Yes i do realize that i meant in theory use coding that theoretically does the same job as a rune.

lucifer_uk · Mar 30, 2007, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

its not that simple, the characters most likely are programd to store data effeciantly with the ammount of sltos they have now. its all about numerical values and number crunching.

i mean really people here think that anet has teh ability to press a button and add it. but nothing is close to being that simple. the whole game is structured to work a certain way.

If its that easy, go to anets studios and program it in for them.

Just seems a waste of server space me having 2 game accounts and extra slots for mules that could be cut to save money and make money from storage upgrades.

Exoudeous · Mar 30, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by lucifer_uk

Just seems a waste of server space me having 2 game accounts and extra slots for mules that could be cut to save money and make money from storage upgrades.

and your point is?

you are asking them to change something they probably cant do. im sure if they could add storage space to characters they would have that in the store in 5 seconds.

HawkofStorms · Mar 30, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43

Okay, you clearly have no experience with computer coding at all.

A friend of mine made a complete total converion for the game Freelancer. It already used the games engine (ie, all the physics, some of the interface, control, layout, etc). It had EVERYTHING else retextured with completely new quests and missions.

The entire game mod (note, which didn't even include things in the source code like how storage is held, how the servers operate, and how the physics work) was about as long as a 500 page book. 500 pages of mathematical code where one spelling error or one typo causes the thing to not work at all.

Now that was for a crummy, free overhaul of an already existing game. Just try to imagine how hard it is to design something like Guild Wars. Its not that easy.

I'm really tempted to bring a mod here and close it. As well disguised as this is as being about GW:EN, its really just another storage rant.

fog_of_redoubt · Mar 30, 2007, 04:44 AM // 04:44

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Pfft.. hero battles should ALWAYS been done on PvP characters so you can get superior vigor runes on all your guys. If you are going to do competitve PvP with your heros (granted /rolling isn't really competitive), then of course they should be fully equiped). My arguement stands though. All the people who complain about the cost of equiping heroes and the need to buy l337 sauce weapons for them can easily get buy without them in PvE.

Need and want...

You are right you dont need runes on heros. No one said you need them.

You dont need them on your charcter either. You dont need high end weapons, You dont need high end armor. You dont need to finish the game. You don't need to go to UW/FOW. You dont need to even play the damn game.

But some people want to play the game and equip heros with runes and insignias, and weapons. Apparently ANet also wanted us to do that because they made the armor with rune and insignia slots.

But you know it was great of you to stop by and remind us that we dont need to do it.

The Great Al · Mar 30, 2007, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

The entire game mod (note, which didn't even include things in the source code like how storage is held, how the servers operate, and how the physics work) was about as long as a 500 page book. 500 pages of mathematical code where one spelling error or one typo causes the thing to not work at all.

Not exactly true, but nicely put regardless

HawkofStorms · Mar 30, 2007, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt

Need and want...

You are right you dont need runes on heros. No one said you need them.

You dont need them on your charcter either. You dont need high end weapons, You dont need high end armor. You dont need to finish the game. You don't need to go to UW/FOW. You dont need to even play the damn game.

But some people want to play the game and equip heros with runes and insignias, and weapons. Apparently ANet also wanted us to do that because they made the armor with rune and insignia slots.

But you know it was great of you to stop by and remind us that we dont need to do it.

But those same people who WANT to equip there heros with runes and insginias then turn around and complain about "needing" to equip their heroes with expensive equipment.

That is what ticks me off. I have no problem if you want to give Koss a gold fellblade because you think its cool. Just don't come on a forum and then complain about it when a collector machette works just as well.

The Great Al · Mar 30, 2007, 04:54 AM // 04:54

No one is complaining about whether or not their hero can equip a gold fellblade or a collector machette. It takes up the same space regardless. I have nice weapons for my heroes, but having collectors weapons wouldn't make a difference. The problem lies in needing an excess of weapons if I want to run different builds. It's getting harder and harder to find parties nowadays, and with hard mode coming soon, I am going to want my heroes to be well equipped (not asthetically, I mean stats-wise). That means, if a mission calls for 3 SF nukers and I can't find any, I want to be able to use my heroes - which means I need extra wands/staves, etc. They need to go somewhere.

arcanemacabre · Mar 30, 2007, 04:58 AM // 04:58

In two years of people bitching about storage space, I'm sure they could've written well over a 500-page novel of code, Hawk. That's a non-issue. Hell, in that time they could've made a whole new game...

oh yeah...

fog_of_redoubt · Mar 30, 2007, 04:59 AM // 04:59

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

But those same people who WANT to equip there heros with runes and insginias then turn around and complain about "needing" to equip their heroes with expensive equipment.

That is what ticks me off. I have no problem if you want to give Koss a gold fellblade because you think its cool. Just don't come on a forum and then complain about it when a collector machette works just as well.

My Koss has a Green Sskai sword (free and easily farmed during a triple green weekend) and a collector shield. He also is more efficent than your Koss because he has Sup Vigor, Sup Abs, Minor Tact, Minor Str and a Sup and Min Swordsmanship.

The point being made was that heros can run lots of builds and be effiecent and effective. If I want Olias to run MM I want him to use a Sup Death and Ghials staff, if I want him to run SS or Spoil I want him to have a Sup Curses and a Stonereaper, I am not complaing about the cost, and yes I could do it with collector weps instead of greens. The point people are making is that if I have 3 Nec builds, and 3 Ele builds, the runes and weapons for the 2 unused build needs to be stored. It is a valid point, doesn't have anything to do with leetsauce weapons. It is just someone that wants the flexibility of running multiple hero builds.

BUT I know... I dont need to run multiple builds.

Phantom Flux · Mar 30, 2007, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by legion_rat

More storage please and thank you.

This has been suggested more times then anything else i think. Though it would be somewhat of a memory hog (I dont know how much of one) I think anet should do something about storage. 3 soon to be 4 games and still we have the storage from the original setting.

~the rat~

I do not, in anyway, purchase gold just to buy armor. It's just stupid. (IMO) If that was the case I might as well just have purchased a character slot. It is soo pety and obviously the envy of some player to throw a screwed up accusation just becaus I was able to farm and accomplish what not many players have. Although, ya gotta love the envy. LOL. Yeah, I'm sure there' s other players who were able to do what I'm very good at, but it doesn't indicate the negative. Honestly, I think we should have the right to buy gold cause it should be a matter of choice, but I don't cause it's just dumb.

And to be compassionate, not everyone has the money to buy a character slot either, so it's not fair to tell everyone just to simply get their credit/debit card to buy one for the sake of muling. Besides, that's just virtually ghetto.

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Originally Posted by Antheus

You don't. That's the whole point.
This isn't collect every single item in game. No game does that.
The storage is plentiful. But no matter how big, it will grow too small if you fill it.
So you have 7 armor sets. What happens when they add 10 more slots? You'll have 9 armor sets, and be without room again.

If I decide to get 5 or more sets of ascended armor, so what? I farm for my gold fair and square, I earned it. ust because armor doesn't interest you or because you just can't farm well enough to get what you want don't slam anyone cause they actually could. Some people play for titles, rank, collecting things, all of the above or other. Not everyone has the same object of interest for Guild Wars and shouldn't have to just to fit the idiotic rpg politics of another. As long I do what I do the fair way, it shouldn't matter how I roll within pve or pvp.

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

your save file takes up space. the more storage you are allowed the bigger the save file is.

now think about how many people play this game. multiply 3 million by say 1 MB for a save file. thats alot of freaking data. if they increased storage by a tiny amount then thats an exponential amount of more data they need to hold.

they were able to add material storage because it wa done in such a way that it deostn take much more data. where as adding say 5 more inventory slots would take up more data cause they have to be able to hold any item in the game..

its not a conspiracy, go play other mmos and see, every mmo i have been on people complain about storage size. developers do that they can, but sometimes they can only do so much with the technology they have. that and tehy ahve to work with teh current game engine. they may have a better data method now but cant use it without rewriting the games code

So what. I'm sure you thought the material storage, would be a hassle too, til Anet proved you wrong and had you form that thought. Anet is capable of doing anything to game what they want, how they want it and as conveniently for them and us. GW isn't suppose to be like any other MMO and that's supposedly Anet's idea. Shoot the major storage upgrade (especially for armor *coughs*) would just add on to the appeal.

Point being ANET needs a majorly huge storage upgrade. Stop with these idiotic events and start working on something more constructive.

Exoudeous · Mar 30, 2007, 05:14 AM // 05:14

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

So what. I'm sure you thought the material storage, would be a hassle too, til Anet proved you wrong and had you form that thought. Anet is capable of doing anything to game what they want, how they want it and as conveniently for them and us. GW isn't suppose to be like any other MMO and that's supposedly Anet's idea. Shoot the major storage upgrade (especially for armor *coughs*) would just add on to the appeal.

Point being ANET needs a Marjory huge storage upgrade. Stop with these idiotic events and start working on something more constructive.

No you are quite wrong about them doing anything they want. a game engine is like the law of the universe, and once that universe is up and running you cant just change anything you want on the fly if you could game companies would save money and not remake their game engines over and over. this is why they are doing guild wars 2, because there are changes that need to be made and they cant be done to this game.

Tempy · Mar 30, 2007, 05:16 AM // 05:16

OMFG I have seen it all now...people actually to argue against more storage with the "then dont make so much armor" Doesn't matter what the OP choses to put in the limited slots the fact of the matter is there isn't enough of them to utilize.

For all of you saying then don't make that much armor I assume you have no gripes about storage, and will not find you on the countless other threads making the argument for more.